I wanted to meet her and did. Thank you to TWW for sharing. What were the situations that were understood, the things in the local culture that the people who received Pauls letter all knew about and did not need to be spelled out? I have seen Christians growing in the Lord and then others who have gone off into looney tune new age, crystals, Barley green, and selling soap with a picture of a motor home on your fridge, and pseudo spiritual excesses. As a 28 year old who had preached 5 real sermons to actual people in his life, Pete learned the craft on the job, serving Bent Tree for 28 years. I think this point of view is mistaken. . 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God. Pastors, elders, seminary professors and Titus 2 women who fail to rebuke it will see the souls under their care harmed. I say run dont walk from the control freaks. Ill let you have the last word on the points you raise, aside from your final paragraph. Briscoe pastors Bent Tree Bible Fellowship, a large congregation in the metro area of Dallas, Texas. We knew then that Pete was different and decided to attend the church on the spot. are they seen as dichotomous totally? Yes you are! Finally, my family once belonged to the Christ Baptist congregation. The exact meaning of the Scriptures is essentially unchanged in any important respect in the widely accepted English translations. I dont think I have that one mastered, but would like to learn. To this day, my husband and I continue to support them in their ministry even though they are still complementarian because theyget it. Not consenting or withdrawing consent, may adversely affect certain features and functions. Denny Burk needs to read this next part. I am going to try to present a picture of Pastor Pete Briscoe, PastorJoanne Hummel and the doctrinal statement of BTBF to bolstermy contention that BTBFisa conservative church from a doctrinal standpointas well as from actual events that I personallywitnessed. I think this point of view is mistaken. I so miss BTBF, Pete, Joanne and many others. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! Lea wrote: You see, he handled conflict so well that I was forever changed, believing that all pastors would be like him. As she rose to speak, a number of young men turned their backs on her, showing their disdain for a women teacher., When I read this, I literally felt sick. How people who disagree on the role of women can be unified. I believe me and billy need to take a trip out to this,church and visit. Bent Tree Bible Fellowship Business Data. You dont believe women should be prevented from all church roles but the nursery = you dont believe in the bible. So many misuses of scripture to drive toward a point that theyre not even remotely speaking to, to arrive at a justification that has no real biblical foundation. (I know, I looked for an egalitarian church- what I was able to find were not acceptable). The issue is certainly important enough for us to try. Thanks for sharing this, Dee! That is something to be thankful for. What about people who struggle with a variety of issues that can cause thought processes to change. As I left Dallas, I will always remember what Pete told me. Pete Davidson's Contract Was Up. . It continued to grow and there were days when there were 70 or so people in the class. The bible says certain things about womens activities within the church, things which people say are heavily influenced by the culture of the day. So you could be an A-hole As Ive written before their differences are largely cosmetic. Iattended one on the history of the medieval church. . not too long ago that talked the reason why men need to be leaders is because Jesus chose men. He periodically has Simulcasts that New Calvinist pastors sign up for, as additional indoctrination into reformed belief and practice for their church members. The church offers various programs, such as kids ministry, student ministry, special needs ministry, support groups, bibles st Location & Hours 4141 International Pkwy He does not appear to have a testosterone problem. I have seen fellowship withdrawn from heterosexuals based on sexual misconduct and I assume they would do that for anybody. Usually it was among the more liberal denominations, but of late, it has become that of what were regarded as fundamentalists. The Elder Board has accepted Pete's decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. In my church that sort of understanding of scripture and that sort of argumentation, whether right or wrong, has now led to issues about celebration of gay marriage in the church, and the larger anglican communion has put us in time out because TEC took it all further than they wanted to go. At that moment, I saw the beauty of an organic body, loving and supporting one another, through thick and thin. I do think some are born, some develop hormone diversities later, some choose to be, and some are simply confused because CBMW puts unbiblical legalities on what girls and boys are supposed to be interested in. I know it wont be popular, but I thought he did a good job of addressing it in a limited way since the slippery slope argument is so often used to shut down conversation. A religious liberty newsletter that is a must-read for people of faith. It is our sober conclusion from observing the last 50 years. The theme of this year's "The Nines" two-day conference, which ends Friday, is "Too Hot to Handle: Topics That All Ministry Leaders Are Dealing With But Nobody's Talking About." Also, I havent noticed a lot of women starting cults. I dont know you, and Im making no statement as to your standing with God. I have heard this story (or one like it?) I am glad he tackled the slaves, women, and homosexual issue. People of my faith dont abrogate obeying their consciences when they are in a position where authority is present quite the opposite. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: Thank you! If they want to compare apples to oranges, couldnt just granting women church membership be considered a slippery slope, too? Which is part of why I am currently attending a much more liberal church than I would otherwise be inclined to attend. When He judges the 21st century church (and He will), there will be much to rebuke and correct at the top of the list will be the patriarchy which has silenced a word from the Lord given to women. We were short time members of Ed Young Jr's church in Dallas. Other than that, what a lovely story. Pete Briscoe asked me to lead a Sunday School class on the Reformation. After extensive discussion, we took a vote. I really liked both of them. "The goal wasn't to tear them down, the goal wasn't to protect my image or the image of the church; the goal was to tell the truth.". My daughter was quite sick with a brain tumor and the church was close by. For those who are very old and very young, and for those who may not have the strength to leave what no longer respects their integrity . He now coaches. I also read the leadership statement from his church. Therefore they cannot be ignored by anyone who would understand his age and his people. Daisy, I dont know of its your blog writing thats doing it but your comments here have really ramped up in all sorts of good ways. Lewis. Here is the BTBF announcement re:female elders. Bless their hearts, I admire, I guess, the comps standing up for what they think is right, but why cant they see how illogical their reading of scripture is given all that women have accomplished today. As for women pastors its not something that was ever a big issue for me. Join thousands of others to get the FREEDOM POST newsletter for free, sent twice a week from The Christian Post. Pete broke down in tears as he reviewed all the wonderful things his mother had donein her life. During a worship service one Sunday evening, Briscoe had come down to the third row as he noticed that it was hard for her. Whatever is going on at this church, I hope it is contagious. Pete briscoe was senior pastor of bent tree bible fellowship in carrollton, tx for nearly 30 years. I remember commenting on Dennys post that the terms used to describe complementary were defined differently among evangelicals and that my own Church did not have the same view of it in sacramental marriage where serving one another was based on love, not on a position of the authority of one over the submission of the other spouse. Thanks for the great examples of how it is supposed to work. Dont ever let anyone tell you that you cant teach. And I have not. The video of those precious men just filled my heart full of gratitude and gives me hope for what can be the full functioning of the Body of Christ. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfsTk5i7mPw. mgk howard stern full interview 2022 mgk howard stern full interview 2022 My son disagrees with me about women being ministers or pastors. He married Jill and came to the United States, where he became pastor at Elmbrook Church in suburban Milwaukee, which grew to more than 5,000 members during his tenure. A church who has in their past the biblical fundamentalism established by Toussaint and Swindoll. I really dont see how the CBMW powerbrokers can continue in a clear conscience. *Sigh* I liked the comeback to this argument Jesus disciples were Jewish, therefore your church leadership must be Jewish. Thank you, Dee. He stopped and pointed the two of us out. Otherwise, the women submit verses make about as much sense to me as telling me to submit to the coffee table Im staring at. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. When defending orthodoxy, we should rejoice when we encounter stiff opposition, harsh words or persecution. The gender roles are not based in scripture on culture; they are based upon creation (I Tim 2, I Cor. Stalwart inerrantists like Roger Nicole and Millard Erickson (both egalitarians) were standing for inerrancy at a time when evangelicals were especially in turmoil over the issue (in the 1970s and 80s). In the third century the Roman emperor Diocletian demanded that churches turn over their Bibles. I have wondered: do the wives who live under male headship have to leave their consciences behind at the altar when they marry? I saw that too, and immediately thought of the neo-Cals. . I agree the the slippery slope arguments are made. It was keptquiet and no one in the church was aware this was happening. . However, for those who assume inerrancy and are in a conflict with the culture over gender issues, the egalitarian hermeneutic could have a significant corrosive effect. What was the position of women like in the overall culture? when people speak of submission and subordination, of complementarian and egalitarian, from an in-house perspective, then folks from other Christian traditions begin to get confused about what IS being said and what IS being implied. Its available on the church website. Good post, and I love your masthead! Simply disgusting. @ frieda: Will we obey God or not? And when girls and women have equal authority and opportunities, communities are more apt to thrive as violence decreases and economic stability increases. So I know about the wheaties thing. Theres no middle ground on that question. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Has Jesus Christ given new instructions to His church in the 21st century that supersede those found in Apostle Pauls New Testament letters? If the pattern of growth in the first century Christian Church included a men only leadership team, and all else was view as contrary to Apostle Pauls written instructions for the formulation of local churches[1], how has pastor Pete Briscoe and his 501(c)3 church leadership team presently gotten around this seemly apparent New Testment limitation? Im not even sure Pete would label himself or our church as either egalitarian or complementarian. It could be removed without affecting the overall conclusion. At the end of the day, a church will either ordain women pastors or they wont. I used to belong to a denomination that started ordaining women almost 100 years ago. . They need to hear it from us first.". As usual we have a clergy class that are pretty much making them with their factions of followers. What kind of so-called men would act like this? To interpret Paul, we have to look at the surrounding situation and most importantly, look at Jesus and what he said and did. He just decided to sin anyway. I asked one of the women why they didnt let women speak and she said because women are so easily deceived and the start of so many cults and I replied yes, like Jim Jones, J. Smith, Armstrong, Scientology, etc etc etc. God calls us to repent of our disobedience and obey His commands concerning sex, among them are the commands that 1) woman may not teach and have authority over men, and that 2) man is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the Church. Davidson's contract at SNL was up at the end of 2021. . To rebuke feminism/egalitarianism is an act of faiththough the world laughs, those who walk by faith will be vindicated in the end. it is a VERY different kind of complimentarian relationship than the complementary concept of husband and wife that we have in the Catholic sacramental marriage where women and men are seen as equal partners in the marriage, serving one another. Many of you have heard or will hear about the decision that Bent Tree Bible made recently to officially embrace egalitarianism or to embrace doctrinally the equality of women as preachers and elders. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. As she rose to speak, a number of young men turned their backs on her, showing their disdain for a women teacher. Daisy wrote: If women, then why not LGBTQ people? We are to obey God, & no one has the right to ask us to go against our consciences. Our witness to the world is very much hurt by divisions in the church. . While not all staff members reach the point of being recommissioned for ministry after a moral failure, some, including the Bent Tree worship leader, do. This became a huge cause for concern for some men in the SBC and we see a trajectory of them embracing such academic teaching as George Knight and his submussive Christian roles for women. The bible read dogmatically on the subject is clear God will keep his people from sinning in ongoing patterns. Similar reasoning. I have had some very interesting discussions with older women who lived through this focus on comp Doctrine in the SBC early on. Simply disgusting. Are you up for it, Denny? Woman may not teach or have authority over man because of the Creation Order of Genesis. really powerful comment! Our condemnation is in our father Adam, who sinned against God in the garden, and our salvation is in Jesus Christ, the God-Man or New Adam. So I am saying, first decide in which direction to go realizing that there are implications down the road because roads always lead somewhere, and this issue of what is scripture and how to handle scripture in the church is a road that leads somewhere. I was in a bible study led by one of them, and she has so much wisdom and compassion and good theology that it helped me along in my spiritual healing. Professors teach; students learn. Return to homepage. Thank you for your and your churchs witness. Theyre upholding the status quo (sexism). Brad Powell, senior pastor at Northridge Church in Plymouth, Mich., also emphasized the need for transparency. I asked one of the women why they didnt let women speak and she said because women are so easily deceived and the start of so many cults. I agree about lines in the sand for clarity sake. Youd think theyd look at women and then look at these verses and see that maybe their interpretation isnt accurate. Plus, life honestly goes better if you avoid those pitfalls. The real beauty of Dees article is that it gives a real world positive (Briscoes church) showing that it doesnt have to be this wayHalf of the fellowships God given talents do not have to be suppressed based solely on plumbing received at birth. They can continue with a clear conscience because they believe in the rightness of their cause. I found catholicism much more user friendly and I found that catholics and catholicism itself seems to actually like God (not as common with evangelicals as far as I can get a feel of it) and like/respect each other and even like/respect the clergy. The only thing I would point out from a biblical view is that no where in the OT is there any prohibition given to Women leading or teaching men. It would be a slander against Rome to say that she holds that priests, who alone may perform the Mass, are inherently superior human beings to the laity who cannot. He created marriage to bring us joy, so His instructions are well worth reading. To be honest, the description of complementarian in the conservative evangelical world is not at all recognizable to me . One. [1] It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. Putting their names in the candidate pool, a call came one day from Pete Briscoe, senior pastor at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX. BTBF practices church discipline but do so with thoughtfulness and, in so doing, get results. We left the same day the Lotz's did. He could not fathom how aspiring pastors could be both so cruel toher. Didnt the same thing happen to Anne Graham Lotz? Some gay kids were in my youth group, and this was known, although Im describing a time before gay teenage activism. there was unity among the elders though the Senior Pastor Pete Briscoe held the egalitarian position and the . I attended BTBF for about 7 years, ending in 2001 when I returned to my beloved North Carolina. Just like the differences between Naziism, Communism, and Objectivism. Pete Briscoe grew up in an egalitarian church with his parents Jill Briscoe and Stuart Briscoe championing the egalitarian cause. As an Egalitarian who has been in complementarian churches for years, Ive been there. I look at the authoritarian idea of male headship as bizarre in the ways some evangelicals have adopted it. I listened to his talk in full and made notes. The Oh they are not believers meme just does not cut it, that is basically what I saw in this book. I have aways believed that CBMW mentality has caused a lot of LGBT people. before God, we cannot disobey our God-given conscience, if an authority figure were to demand for us to do what is wrong. And, if I might add, everyone had a little spring in their step because all was well. So unlike the 9 Marks SGM crowdlike a healing balm. Yes. It is no lack of charity, nor honesty. Were very dedicated to accurate interpretation. But when I gave to anyone else who seemed interested, they said it was just too scholarly for them to understand. And when the authority of Scripture is undermined, the gospel will not long be acknowledged. God has vested authority in man by making Adam first, and then Eve. Jim Jones was of course too chicken to actually die as he made other die. Shortly after it was announced that I would teach the class, Ireceived a call from a woman who was involved in a parachurch ministry with her husband. Its based on the proposition that Pauls letters (in the form of literal commands) have the same gravity as the Almighty thundering out of Horeb to Moses. Your first point draws on a quote from Ligon Duncan, a Presbyterian, which I felt was rather curious. It has taken me awhile to comment because Ive been speechless, thinking about all this. As Platt puts it The objective of Secret Church is not just to come and learn for one night, but also to take what weve learned and pass it along to others. You can read all about it at http://www.radical.net/secret-church/about. Pete ruined me, plain and simple. I just downloaded and havent had time to read it yet. No big deal. We are actually seeing that right now with the new focus on testosterone. Sin is what. 1. However, Ican assure you that there are a myriad of beliefs on secondary issueswithin thisdiverse congregation. Sigh. The UMC has struggled and struggled and clergy trials have resulted in broadening the level of acceptance relative to non marital sexual activity for the clergy. I heard wonderful things about you back then. something really sinister about it all. Great job to you and everyone who spoke! My daughter, Abby, attended one service when she visited Dallas and said she could listen to her for hours. It is nice to hear some good stories once and a while for a change . I grew up in a church that was Calvinist before neo-Cal formed into a movement. One of the saddest anecdotes from the Jim Jones thing was that when they started killing the children, his wife (I think) fought it and was held back (by men!) If you read it close there is even a whiff of old Earth in there which might come from her medical science background. A last story for the evening. . I wrote with respectful purpose after our elders announced that they had decided to add deacons to our lay leadership and it was quickly apparent that only males would be considered. I have had several posts on his site not posted, which is fine, but I really was trying to get his take on issues such as medical or psychological that cause notable behavioral changes. Thank you to the elders of Bent Tree Fellowship for their faithfulness in searching the scriptures and changing their minds as the Spirit shed light. Tim Harkins. If you want to build a strong marriage, where should you look for direction? Groeschel makes it a point to tell his church "the very next weekend." Wow! I flew back there especially for that and was astounded (silly me) that the Preacher did not ask her to speak during the service. So we reject male headship even though the Bible clearly teaches it. We are in South Arlington, and I wish there was a BT campus close by! So what I am saying is that it is wise to see where that reasoning leads, and the current issues in both the episcopal and UMC situation just happens to be LGBTQ related because that happens to be what is happening in the culture right now. It is not arrogant to identify egalitarianism as disobedience to God. This process of counseling, caring for the affected families, keeping the involved parties accountable, and continuously speaking into their lives could take years. stands a chance. Bent Tree Bible in Carrollton has flirted with this issue for years, but now they feel safe to publically embrace it. I mean, if these men truly see themselves as depraved, then they could not honestly claim to be able to be ethically and morally suitable to step in and take over the place of the Holy Spirit in the lives of women of Christian conscience. . Umseems like that could to problems! Tolkien,The Lord of the Ringslink So many years of feeling marginalized and invisible in church, of feeling this is a normal thing I have to accept. Briscoe and the elders rely heavily upon William Webbs trajectory hermeneutic. Last night I watched Pastor Pete Briscoe give his rationale for leading his church to welcome female elders to their leadership structure (see above). It took years for the church's worship leader to be at a good place spiritually after having committed adultery. Professors arent superior human specimens to their students, but only they grade papers and give assignmentsstudents cannot do these things. I though you might like to hear from someone who attended his church and knew Pete quite well. : Therefore, to find justification one must look elseware. Back during the Vietnam Era there was only one Protestant clergyman who publicly opposed the conflict, Dr. Martin Luther King, the rest were all Jesuits as far as I know. That is neither under my choice or control) because of some weird linkages seems deeply strange. For three days now, Ive been trying to get into the Assemblies of God web site to copy a link to their position paper on Women in the Ministry. Maybe is good; must is bad. This is just another reason why I think it is so dangerous to have a set apart clergy class that we look to- to call out abuse from other pastors or for answers on extremely divisive questions or policies. I know many of the folks at Bent Tree and enjoy them as brethren. @ Victorious: I have been reading with great interest your blog since I was introduced to it through Wondering Eagle and his writing on Community Evangelical Free Church. But a true Baptist church is a congregationally governed democracy, hopefully under the leadership of the Holy Spirit. No one in the church, outside of our little group, ever knew what had transpired and unity was restored. Quite a few of the members clapped at that and so she was able to get up and talk. One wonders that if people can feel free to respond to their own consciences rather than stay in community with those who place secondary doctrines above Christian brotherhood? Also, proof-texting is not very helpful and I find it rather ironic. They were building bridges with other inerranitists and the issue of gender was not their focus. Thats the logical conclusion from the creation order! Bent Tree exists to be used by God as he transforms people into disciples of Jesus Christ, here and around the world. And really, how can the position that restricts 1/2 the human race even stand a chance against the welcome and the yes of mutuality, of equality, of dissolving the social construct of subjugation and raising up those subjugated by it? The laity may not perform the Mass. If we threw them out, how would they hear Gods Word and witness and experience Gods transforming love? 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